01 December, 2009

Chat turned Cognizant conversation!

VV: Hey raghu
me: Hi Mr.V V :)
VV:had dinner?
me:yeah..jus now.u?
VV:good. me having now,typing with my left hand, preparing for a 1 hr lecture this friday
me: cool...ur left hand speed matches with my double-handed attempt!,
oh,nice. abt?
VV: :P 
Cultural studies-students' knowledge and ownership in cyber space
me: interestin topic :) very relevant too
VV: So huge amount of matter to be prepared and delivered, non-tech
me: yeah,will be nice :)
VV: I was reading Engles' "Origin of family, pvt property and  the state",Very apt
me: yeah,I'm readin M N Roy's articles
VV: any highlights?
me: I'm half way thru his works, I can relate more to his works for obvious reasons
VV: main points? how ?
me: Revolution of a huge magnitude can start even from the most unprobable places if the right forces reach ppl,keepin the then India and World war and our freedom struggle in perspective.
Also about the failure of the British capitalist reign in all aspects,
VV: This depends on both the objective conditions and subjective preparation. The masses cannot rise by themselves,they/we are trapped in the existing setup, we have seen that most leaders of the masses are normally from the working/middle classes. Normally the consciousness of the masses is below required 
me: Yes,he also emphasises on the role of intellectuals and student force mainly to instigate the masses
VV: Without raising that consciousness by popular struggles that is not possible
me: I agree... I think his voice of a socialist society was drowned in the echoes of freedom
VV: Marx himself pointed out that his works are not rules. They have to be applied keeping in mind the existing ground reality. The "Maoists" try to apply mao's interpretation of Marx to Indian conditions without suitable modification ,which is one of the reasons why they are not successful..
me: I am not fully aware of the maoists,so this cud be one reason
VV: That was an example. While reading you need to be critical you have to see the objective conditions at the time the theory was conceived and if they matched 
me: Yes,very correct
VV: what is true one minute need not be true the next
me: I tend to easily waver my opinions while reading
VV: people think this is dual standards but it is not
me: I'm workin on it
VV: it is the application of science hence the term social science
me: :)
VV: Not arts :)
me: right :)
will always have it in mind
VV: I have that argument with some of my friends from the "arts" streams
me: A valid point there.. That is what I guess keeps it evolving with the society-The Science involved
VV: scientific methods are used to analyse the development of society. Science evolves with the increase in the productive capacity of society ,because scientific methods are needed to improve production 
me: There are a lot of things in general I,like many, ignore while reading,And with a more critical approach it'll benefit more
VV: The book by engles that I mentioned explains this very clearly
me: OK...
VV: You can try Navakarnataka book house on cresent road for some of these books
me: sure... will visit it
VV: my copy costed around rs.35
me: oh...thats nicer ;)
VV: this was in 2005 ;)
me: he he. 
Its alright ,even with inflation and recession it will be around 100 i guess :)
VV: :)
Will discuss later.. my laptop battery is going to get drained
me: cool..
thx for the chat
VV: np
me: :)

PS: Mr. VV is a fellow activist in the Free Software Movement-Karnataka,and my mentor :)

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